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Re: [ossig] Business Model
From
: Vincent Lee <leehongfay@yahoo.com>
Re: [ossig] Business Model
From
: "Colin Charles " <byte@aeon.com.my>
Re: [ossig] Business Model
From
: "lks" <lks@webpres.com.my>
Re: [ossig] Business Model
From
: "lks" <lks@webpres.com.my>
Re: [ossig] Business Model
From
: kean <keanbuild@yahoo.com>
Re: [ossig] Business Model
From
: Seah Hong Yee <hongyee@polyscientific.com.my>
Re: [ossig] Business Model
From
: "Colin Charles " <byte@aeon.com.my>
Re: [ossig] Business Model
From
: Vincent Lee <leehongfay@yahoo.com>
Re: [ossig] 2003: the year of Asian Linux
From
: Nan Phin <nplee@tm.net.my>
Re: [ossig] Lindows heads for store shelves
From
: Seah Hong Yee <hongyee@polyscientific.com.my>
Re: [ossig] Business Model
From
: Seah Hong Yee <hongyee@polyscientific.com.my>
Re: [ossig] Linux too much like Windows :)
From
: Seah Hong Yee <hongyee@polyscientific.com.my>
Re: [ossig] Lindows heads for store shelves
From
: Alawi Abdullah <boq98@yahoo.com>
Re: [ossig] Business Model
From
: Dinesh Nair <dinesh@alphaque.com>
Re: [ossig] Business Model
From
: "Colin Charles " <byte@aeon.com.my>
Re: [ossig] Linux too much like Windows :)
From
: "Hoh, Sunny" <Sunny.Hoh@getronics.com>
[ossig] change of mail list
From
: "Email User" <khye@ebusinessoft.com>
Re: [ossig] Business Model
From
: Vincent Lee <leehongfay@yahoo.com>
Re: [ossig] Lindows heads for store shelves
From
: "Colin Charles " <byte@aeon.com.my>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: "Colin Charles " <byte@aeon.com.my>
Re: [ossig] Linux too much like Windows :)
From
: "Colin Charles " <byte@aeon.com.my>
[ossig] 2003: the year of Asian Linux
From
: "Colin Charles " <byte@aeon.com.my>
Re: [ossig] Elderly folks in M'sia learn open source
From
: "Colin Charles " <byte@aeon.com.my>
Re: [ossig] Elderly folks in M'sia learn open source
From
: Nah Soo Hoe <nsh@pop.jaring.my>
Re: [ossig] Elderly folks in M'sia learn open source
From
: Nan Phin <nplee@tm.net.my>
Re: [ossig] Elderly folks in M'sia learn open source
From
: "TM Tan (aka Meng)" <tmtan@tm.net.my>
[ossig] Elderly folks in M'sia learn open source
From
: Nan Phin <nplee@tm.net.my>
[ossig] diversion
From
: Dr Molly Cheah <drcheah@pc.jaring.my>
Re: [ossig] what is the recommendded spec for linux box?
From
: Seah Hong Yee <hongyee@polyscientific.com.my>
Re: [ossig] what is the recommendded spec for linux box?
From
: Alawi Abdullah <boq98@yahoo.com>
[ossig] IBM plans open-source storage strategy
From
: Nan Phin <nplee@tm.net.my>
Re: [ossig] Linux too much like Windows :)
From
: Seah Hong Yee <hongyee@polyscientific.com.my>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: Vincent Lee <leehongfay@yahoo.com>
Re: [ossig] Linux too much like Windows :)
From
: "TM Tan (aka Meng)" <tmtan@tm.net.my>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: "TM Tan (aka Meng)" <tmtan@tm.net.my>
[ossig] Linux too much like Windows :)
From
: "Colin Charles " <byte@aeon.com.my>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: "Colin Charles " <byte@aeon.com.my>
[ossig] consultant req to lecture on open source
From
: "Ethamukkala Jaya Prasad Rao" <rao@rboxtech.com>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: "Colin Charles " <byte@aeon.com.my>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: Vincent Lee <leehongfay@yahoo.com>
Re: [ossig] what is the recommendded spec for linux box?
From
: "TM Tan (aka Meng)" <tmtan@tm.net.my>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: "TM Tan (aka Meng)" <tmtan@tm.net.my>
Re: [ossig] database manager for postgresql
From
: Alawi Abdullah <boq98@yahoo.com>
[ossig] database manager for postgresql
From
: Alawi Abdullah <boq98@yahoo.com>
Re: [ossig] Lindows heads for store shelves
From
: Alawi Abdullah <boq98@yahoo.com>
[ossig] Wanted: PII Laptop
From
: "Colin Charles " <byte@aeon.com.my>
[ossig] MNCC-OSSIG and Imatec
From
: Nan Phin <nplee@tm.net.my>
[ossig] Lindows heads for store shelves
From
: Nan Phin <nplee@tm.net.my>
[ossig] Microsoft manager accused of $9 million fraud scheme
From
: Nan Phin <nplee@tm.net.my>
Re: [ossig] what is the recommendded spec for linux box?
From
: Bernard yap <lev@codenetic.net>
[ossig] what is the recommendded spec for linux box?
From
: Alawi Abdullah <boq98@yahoo.com>
Re: [ossig] oracle and sybase on redhat
From
: Dinesh Nair <dinesh@alphaque.com>
Re: [ossig] oracle and sybase on redhat
From
: Alawi Abdullah <boq98@yahoo.com>
Re: [ossig] installation
From
: Uwe Dippel <udippel@uniten.edu.my>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: "Colin Charles " <byte@aeon.com.my>
Re: [ossig] oracle and sybase on redhat
From
: Dinesh Nair <dinesh@alphaque.com>
Re: [ossig] oracle and sybase on redhat
From
: Choong Hong Cheng <chc79@yahoo.com>
[ossig] oracle and sybase on redhat
From
: Dinesh Nair <dinesh@alphaque.com>
Re: [ossig] installation
From
: Teoh Eng Sin <teohes@streamyx.com>
Re: [ossig] installation
From
: Teoh Eng Sin <teohes@streamyx.com>
Re: [ossig] Some info on Zaurus in MY ?
From
: Chia Chin Yau <chiacy@sinchew-i.com>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: Vincent Lee <leehongfay@yahoo.com>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: "Colin Charles " <byte@aeon.com.my>
Re: [ossig] linux and java trainers required
From
: Dinesh Nair <dinesh@alphaque.com>
RE: [ossig] Some info on Zaurus in MY ?
From
: "pclow" <pclow@maxis.net.my>
RE: [ossig] Some info on Zaurus in MY ?
From
: "pclow" <pclow@maxis.net.my>
Re: [ossig] Some info on Zaurus in MY ?
From
: Chia Chin Yau <chiacy@sinchew-i.com>
Re: [ossig] linux and java trainers required
From
: Seah Hong Yee <hongyee@polyscientific.com.my>
[ossig] linux and java trainers required
From
: Dinesh Nair <dinesh@alphaque.com>
Re: [ossig] installation
From
: Seah Hong Yee <hongyee@polyscientific.com.my>
Re: [ossig] installation
From
: "Chan Ying Hoong" <cyhoong@pc.jaring.my>
[ossig] installation
From
: Tan Bun Eng <tbeysy@tm.net.my>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: Teoh Eng Sin <teohes@streamyx.com>
Re: [ossig] Word of Thanks
From
: "Nah Soo Hoe" <nsh@pop.jaring.my>
[ossig] Word of Thanks
From
: Tan Bun Eng <tbeysy@tm.net.my>
Re: [ossig] Windows Refund -> FreeBSD on PPC
From
: "TM Tan (aka Meng)" <tmtan@tm.net.my>
Re: [ossig] Windows Refund ?
From
: "TM Tan (aka Meng)" <tmtan@tm.net.my>
Re: [ossig] Windows Refund -> FreeBSD on PPC
From
: Uwe Dippel <udippel@uniten.edu.my>
Re: [ossig] Windows Refund ?
From
: Uwe Dippel <udippel@uniten.edu.my>
Re: [ossig] Windows Refund -> FreeBSD on PPC
From
: "TM Tan (aka Meng)" <tmtan@tm.net.my>
Re: [ossig] Windows Refund -> FreeBSD on PPC
From
: "TM Tan (aka Meng)" <tmtan@tm.net.my>
Re: [ossig] Windows Refund ?
From
: "TM Tan (aka Meng)" <tmtan@tm.net.my>
RE: [ossig] Windows Refund ?
From
: "TM Tan (aka Meng)" <tmtan@tm.net.my>
Re: [ossig] Windows Refund ?
From
: "TM Tan (aka Meng)" <tmtan@tm.net.my>
RE: [ossig] Windows Refund ?
From
: Tejinder Singh <tejinder@apiit.edu.my>
Re: [ossig] Windows Refund ?
From
: Chia Chin Yau <chiacy@sinchew-i.com>
Re: [ossig] Windows Refund ?
From
: Nan Phin <nplee@tm.net.my>
[ossig] Analysts: Microsoft feels tug of Linux
From
: Nan Phin <nplee@tm.net.my>
Re: [ossig] Windows Refund ?
From
: "Lee Hanxue" <hanxue@myrealbox.com>
Re: [ossig] Windows Refund ?
From
: Uwe Dippel <udippel@uniten.edu.my>
Re: [ossig] Windows Refund ?
From
: "TM Tan (aka Meng)" <tmtan@tm.net.my>
Re: [ossig] Windows Refund ?
From
: "Chia, Chin Yau" <chiacy@sinchew-i.com>
[ossig] Windows Refund ?
From
: Uwe Dippel <udippel@uniten.edu.my>
[ossig] Some info on Zaurus in MY ?
From
: Uwe Dippel <udippel@uniten.edu.my>
[ossig] My-Snort's new look
From
: "mel" <mel@ini2.net>
[ossig] OSS101: Open Source Appreciation Workshop for Teachers and NGOs
From
: Nan Phin <nplee@tm.net.my>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: "TM Tan (aka Meng)" <tmtan@tm.net.my>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: Nan Phin <nplee@tm.net.my>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: Nan Phin <nplee@tm.net.my>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: Dr Molly Cheah <drcheah@pc.jaring.my>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: Seah Hong Yee <hongyee@polyscientific.com.my>
[ossig] [Fwd: CFP: Open Source in Healthcare and Public Health]
From
: Dr Molly Cheah <drcheah@pc.jaring.my>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: "Tsewai Chong" <twchong@infotech-partners.com>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: Teoh Eng Sin <teohes@streamyx.com>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: Loke Kar Seng <lks@webpres.com.my>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: "mel" <mel@ini2.net>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: Dr Molly Cheah <drcheah@pc.jaring.my>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: "TM Tan (aka Meng)" <tmtan@tm.net.my>
Re: [ossig] Microsoft in anti-Linux Push
From
: Teoh Eng Sin <teohes@streamyx.com>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: "TM Tan (aka Meng)" <tmtan@tm.net.my>
RE: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: "TM Tan (aka Meng)" <tmtan@tm.net.my>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: Teoh Eng Sin <teohes@streamyx.com>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: "TM Tan (aka Meng)" <tmtan@tm.net.my>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: "TM Tan (aka Meng)" <tmtan@tm.net.my>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: "TM Tan (aka Meng)" <tmtan@tm.net.my>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: "TM Tan (aka Meng)" <tmtan@tm.net.my>
RE: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IThelp hard to f ind
From
: Seah Hong Yee <hongyee@polyscientific.com.my>
[ossig] Microsoft in anti-Linux Push
From
: "Ganesan Kanavathy" <ganesh@parkmayberhad.com>
RE: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to f ind
From
: Teoh Eng Sin <teohes@streamyx.com>
[ossig] Sinchew Cyberworld and Sinchew-i - OSS Plan
From
: Chia Chin Yau <chiacy@sinchew-i.com>
RE: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hardto f ind
From
: Seah Hong Yee <hongyee@polyscientific.com.my>
RE: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to f ind
From
: Teoh Eng Sin <teohes@streamyx.com>
RE: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to f ind
From
: Tejinder Singh <tejinder@apiit.edu.my>
RE: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to f ind
From
: Tejinder Singh <tejinder@apiit.edu.my>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: Dinesh Nair <dinesh@alphaque.com>
RE: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to f ind
From
: Devinder <Devin@apiit.edu.my>
RE: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: UWE HEINZ RUDI DIPPEL <Udippel@uniten.edu.my>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: "Lee Hanxue" <hanxue@myrealbox.com>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: Teoh Eng Sin <teohes@streamyx.com>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: slater0@mymaxis.com.my
[ossig] Fw: (RUP) 2002 Salary Survey]
From
: "Lee Hanxue" <hanxue@myrealbox.com>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: "Lee Hanxue" <hanxue@myrealbox.com>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: "Lee Hanxue" <hanxue@myrealbox.com>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: "Lee Hanxue" <hanxue@myrealbox.com>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: Seah Hong Yee <hongyee@polyscientific.com.my>
RE: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: richard <riclim@tm.net.my>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: "mel" <mel@ini2.net>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: Loke Kar Seng <lks@webpres.com.my>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: "Tsewai Chong" <twchong@infotech-partners.com>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: Teoh Eng Sin <teohes@streamyx.com>
Re[2]: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: Michael Choo <mikechoo@tm.net.my>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: Chia Chin Yau <chiacy@sinchew-i.com>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: Dinesh Nair <dinesh@alphaque.com>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: Uwe Dippel <udippel@uniten.edu.my>
Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: "TM Tan (aka Meng)" <tmtan@tm.net.my>
[ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find
From
: "Tsewai Chong" <twchong@infotech-partners.com>
Re: [ossig] IBM Builds An Open-Source Ecosystem
From
: "Lee Hanxue" <hanxue@myrealbox.com>
[ossig] Sin Chew Cyberworld and Sinchew-i's Open Source Initiative (OSS Publicity)
From
: Chia Chin Yau <chiacy@sinchew-i.com>
Re: [ossig] IBM Builds An Open-Source Ecosystem
From
: Dinesh Nair <dinesh@alphaque.com>
RE: [ossig] The Affero GPL: Closing the Distribution Loophole
From
: Dinesh Nair <dinesh@alphaque.com>
Re: [ossig] Reconsider open source software adoption
From
: "Lee Hanxue" <hanxue@myrealbox.com>
[ossig] Reconsider open source software adoption
From
: "Lee Hanxue" <hanxue@myrealbox.com>
Re: [ossig] The Affero GPL: Closing the Distribution Loophole
From
: "Lee Hanxue" <hanxue@myrealbox.com>
[ossig] Will Open Source Ever Become Mainstream?
From
: "Jaya Prasad Rao" <rao@rboxtech.com>
Re: [ossig] The Affero GPL: Closing the Distribution Loophole
From
: Bernard yap <lev@codenetic.net>
Re: [ossig] The Affero GPL: Closing the Distribution Loophole
From
: "Lee Hanxue" <hanxue@myrealbox.com>
[ossig] OT: Looking for Charles Moreira
From
: "pclow" <pclow@maxis.net.my>
[ossig] Get a discount on Microsoft ...
From
: "Loke KS" <lks@webpres.com.my>
RE: [ossig] The Affero GPL: Closing the Distribution Loophole
From
: "Nah Soo Hoe" <nsh@pop.jaring.my>
RE: [ossig] How to setup VPN in RedHat?
From
: "LeeCC, Kenny" <Kenny.LeeCC@hp.com>
[ossig] How to setup VPN in RedHat?
From
: "KianOn YONG" <kianon@time.net.my>
RE: [ossig] The Affero GPL: Closing the Distribution Loophole
From
: "Isa Seow" <isa@apdip.net>
[ossig] The Affero GPL: Closing the Distribution Loophole
From
: "Jaya Prasad Rao" <rao@rboxtech.com>
RE: [ossig] MDC-OSSIG project
From
: "pclow" <pclow@maxis.net.my>
Re: [ossig] MDC-OSSIG project
From
: ML Lee <mloonglee@yahoo.com>
[ossig] IBM Builds An Open-Source Ecosystem
From
: Nan Phin <nplee@tm.net.my>
RE: [ossig] MDC-OSSIG project
From
: soo chun keat <sckeat21@yahoo.com>
RE: [ossig] MDC-OSSIG project
From
: "Satya" <satya@institute.com.my>
[ossig] Donation
From
: Nan Phin <nplee@tm.net.my>
[ossig] Security spurs open-source search in Japan
From
: Nan Phin <nplee@tm.net.my>
[ossig] Group tackles OpenOffice desktop spec
From
: Nan Phin <nplee@tm.net.my>
Re: [ossig] MDC-OSSIG project
From
: Chia Chin Yau <chiacy@sinchew-i.com>
Re: [ossig] MDC-OSSIG project
From
: "Nah Soo Hoe" <nsh@pop.jaring.my>
RE: [ossig] Cost saving of open source software in education
From
: "Isa Seow" <isa@apdip.net>
[ossig] Cost saving of open source software in education
From
: "Hanxue Lee" <hanxue@myrealbox.com>
Re: [ossig] Deploying Linux
From
: Seah Hong Yee <hongyee@polyscientific.com.my>
RE: [ossig] Deploying Linux
From
: "Sathesan Gegathesa (RE)" <sathesan_gegathesa@solsis-eso.com.my>
Re: [ossig] Deploying Linux
From
: Seah Hong Yee <hongyee@polyscientific.com.my>
RE: [ossig] Deploying Linux
From
: "Sathesan Gegathesa (RE)" <sathesan_gegathesa@solsis-eso.com.my>
[ossig] oss 101: oss workshop for schools and ngos.
From
: Nan Phin <nplee@tm.net.my>
RE: [ossig] Deploying Linux
From
: Uwe Dippel <udippel@uniten.edu.my>
RE: [ossig] Deploying Linux
From
: "Sathesan Gegathesa (RE)" <sathesan_gegathesa@solsis-eso.com.my>
RE: [ossig] Deploying Linux
From
: "LeeCC, Kenny" <Kenny.LeeCC@hp.com>
[ossig]
From
: "Rene Damian Lee" <rene@csn.com.my>
Re: [ossig] Deploying Linux
From
: Uwe Dippel <udippel@uniten.edu.my>
[ossig] Deploying Linux
From
: "Sathesan Gegathesa (RE)" <sathesan_gegathesa@solsis-eso.com.my>
[ossig] ORACLEWORLD: IS COMMERCIAL UNIX ODD MAN OUT?
From
: Nan Phin <nplee@tm.net.my>
[ossig] Oracle9i RAC on Linux Cluster
From
: Nan Phin <nplee@tm.net.my>
[ossig] ORACLE, RED HAT WORKING ON DESKTOP LINUX | InfoWorld
From
: Nan Phin <nplee@tm.net.my>
[ossig] analysis of the impact of oss to UK Govt
From
: Chia Chin Yau <chiacy@sinchew-i.com>
[ossig] Open Source Software use in UK government - Frameworks - Office of the e-Envoy
From
: Chia Chin Yau <chiacy@sinchew-i.com>
[ossig] ORACLE READIES GRID ENGINE ON LINUX....
From
: Nan Phin <nplee@tm.net.my>
[ossig] OracleWorld Preview: Oracle shows off 9i, Linux
From
: Nan Phin <nplee@tm.net.my>
[ossig] Fw: Leaked memo: Microsoft's attack on Open Source backfires
From
: "Jeff Ooi" <jeffooi@pc.jaring.my>
Re: [ossig] proposal to mncc & pikom
From
: "Michael Ong" <michael@csn.com.my>
Re: [ossig] RED HAT LINUX TRAINING.
From
: "Michael Ong" <michael@csn.com.my>
RE: [ossig] (Fwd) MNCC-atSC Scholarships for MNCC Affiliated Trainer Progr
From
: Tejinder Singh <tejinder@apiit.edu.my>
Re: [ossig] MDC-OSSIG project
From
: "Chia, Chin Yau" <chiacy@sinchew-i.com>
Re: [ossig] vnunet.com Windows cheaper than Linux, says Microsoft
From
: Dinesh Nair <dinesh@alphaque.com>
[ossig] vnunet.com Windows cheaper than Linux, says Microsoft
From
: Chia Chin Yau <chiacy@sinchew-i.com>
[ossig] MDC-OSSIG project
From
: "Nah Soo Hoe" <nsh@pop.jaring.my>
[ossig] Brussels to spend =?gb18030?q?=A2=E3250k=20on=20Linux=20migration?= study
From
: Chia Chin Yau <chiacy@sinchew-i.com>
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