Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find

["Tsewai Chong" <twchong@infotech-partners.com>]

On 5 Dec 2002 at 14:26, mel wrote:

From:           	"mel" <mel@ini2.net>
To:             	<ossig@mncc.com.my>
Subject:        	Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT 
help hard to find
Date sent:      	Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:26:08 +0800
Send reply to:  	ossig@mncc.com.my

> > Agree with you there....wonder what kind of salaries Genting was
> offering....my bet
> > is no Malaysian corporation would pay 5 figures for top notch programmers
> > As anyone who stated working as a programmer, 10-15 years into their
> career,
> > are they still writing code ? or are they managing "programmers"
> 
> RM5,000 - RM7,000 for a programmer (hardcore) with more than five years
> experience. And to be frank, one of the developers that works under
> me has a higher salary than mine.

Smart people like you, mel, hire the best ;)  
++ Ranting Warning ++
I think generally people pay more for 5-year managers, salesperson, 
project managers, 
con-sultants  or Analysts,  etc than programmers. 
imho programming is grunt work. Lots of hard work, not so much pay. 
(Pure 
programming only, w/o  s/w analysis or s/w architecturing or design). 
Then, maybe it 
could be the inefficiency of the language, tools etc. ('cos  I mostly code 
with a text editor 
and procedural ).

I have not read the MMM. How much do you cost a man-month of a 
programmer ?  
Compare with a Proj Manager ? Consultant??? I know some 
consultants are charging 
2K a day. and that is considered cheap.


> 
> > hahah have you met truly good programmers....they probably look like drug
> > addicts - red eyes and slurred speech due to lack of sleep - uncombed
> hair,
> > unshaven, sloppy clothes, many have an attitude problem too !  They
> probably
> > wake up 30 mins before an interview and rush there. Most  HR people do not
> > understand what makes a programmer great and what motivates them.
> 
> Stop the stereotyping please.

Here! Here!

> 
> I've interviewed one of the brightest programmers (10 years
> experience). He wore well-ironed long sleeves, short and combed hair, no
> facial hairs - not even a sign that he was a programmer. I thought I was
> interviewing a sales/marketing person. He explained malloc/calloc
> without blinking. Writing device drivers is a walk in the park for him.
> 
> I've interviewed one of brightest programmers (5 years experience).
> Very neat, no fat, a very well-groomed lady, in proper make-up and dress.
> She explained TCP/IP and raw socket driver without taking pit-stops.
> 
> I've worked with one of the best Java programmers. Neat, no jeans
> or round-necked shirt, minimal facial hair. His loudness is
> expressed in the way he type (super fast), and he worked his magic in
> his Java codes.
> 
> > Meng
> 
> --mel
> 
> 
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