Re: [ossig] (Fwd) STI News: Firm discovers good IT help hard to find

["Colin Charles " <byte@aeon.com.my>]

On 23 Dec 2002 at 2:58, Vincent Lee wrote:

Howdy,

> I think a debate would bring more benefits to entire
> people in this mailing list if it brings more
> contructive suggestions, instead of pure play of words
> etc. Hence, I am trying my best to close the this
> debate.

If there were more participants, this debate would bring benefit. 
With just two minds, it doesn't quite go far.

> > Are you stating that your social circle of friends
> > *are* the 
> > majority?
> > Glad to know that you have a unique bunch of friends
> > that respect 
> > everyone. But in an earlier post, you mention that
> > "grades are too 
> > important".
> To answer your questions
> 1) Yes, I have a wide social circle of friends.
> 2) "grades are too important" was a typo, my mistake,
> please accept my apologies.

Apologies accepted. That really ends my argument, if you state that 
your statement was in error.

I wanted to prove that grades aren't too important. I did. As Stan 
Lee (great comic dude) would say, "'nuff said".

> > > I grew up in malaysia, went thru the malaysian
> > > education system..... and I have seen many friends
> > do
> > > the same.
> > 
> > From your writings, I guessed as much. Which was why
> > I hinted that 
> > some overseas exposure may generally help broaden
> > your thinking. 
> > Don't get me wrong, I'm not faltering you or
> > anything, but even 
> > spending a while in an overseas working environment,
> > will give you a 
> > different outlook of life. Spending a little time in
> > an overseas 
> > education system will do the same to you.
> > 
> > If you notice, the folks like Eng Sin and Meng have
> > spent time 
> > overseas, and their outlook is different. So open up
> > your mind to new 
> > ideas Vincent. 
> 
> hahha... thanks Colin, spot on...
> for more info about my overseas background.. 
> http://vlee.net/cv.html

Impressive CV. MARA scholar that had overseas background in terms of 
study, no? 

Did you not notice the differences between the overseas education 
system and the local one? Or did you find the local one better? 

Incidentally, Chinese medium schools seem to differ from the general 
Government schools - at least this is the impression I get from the 
teachers we taught at the OSS-101 workshop.

> How about yours Colin? Don't have to tell me your
> background if you feel uncomfortable about it. And
> that's why I said I have enough sample of friends to
> draw the conclusion.

Uncomfortable? Heck no.

Studied at Fairview International School, moved on to Sunway College 
upon graduation, then to Monash University Australia for university. 
Nothing you can't tell from visiting my website (and no, I don't 
believe in publicising my CV on the Web - but I'd gladly e-mail it to 
anyone offering a job, if I were looking for one).
 
> My mind has always been opened. 
> Anyway, lets not get personal.. I want to be your
> friend, not your enemy :-). If there's anything that I
> said wrongly, please pardon me.

Friends. Its important to keep a close-knit community. :)

> > > Are you saying that,
> > > "students who can memorize a lot, do not have
> > > impressive analytical skills"?
> > 
> > Yes. If you learn by rote, you will have very dismal
> > analytical 
> > skills. Only if you are taught to analyse (and not
> > memorise) will you 
> > ever get into the habit of analysis.
> > 
> > > In my humble opinion,
> > > "students who can memorize like sponge, can
> > memorize
> > > well"
> > 
> > Yes. If they are sponges, that's all they'll ever
> > remain really.
> > 
> > > "students who do not have analytical skills, do
> > not
> > > have analytical skills"
> > 
> > Nope. Analysis is something that happens based on
> > practice. If you 
> > are taught to not analyse (but memorise), you'd
> > never be good at it - 
> > or in later years when you come to the workforce,
> > you'd have a tough 
> > time at learning. 
> > 
> > But nothing is impossible. Everyone eventually
> > learns to analyse.
> > 
> > > "students who can memorize like sponge, may or may
> > not
> > > have impressive analytical skills"
> > 
> > What exactly are you trying to say here? This is of
> > course a 
> > generalisation, as each individual has his/her own
> > skillsets.
> 
> What I was trying to say with the three statements
> above is that, we cannot draw conclusion by saying
> that people who can memorize well do not have
> analytical skills. Because the hypothesis statement
> could bt proved otherwise.

Of course, it was a generalisation on my part. I'm not giving you a 
study on each and every individual (and neither were you) - because 
its just impractical.

The education system generally tells you to do something, and not 
think of what to do. And that's where the system is flawed. But not 
everyone comes out mediocre - there are shining stars from our 
system.
 
> Colin, thanks for being a wonderful debate opponent.
> You are very good.

The same can be said about you mate...
 
> ---------------------------------------------
> http://vlee.net/       mailto:vlee@vlee.net

Incidentally, your Sun Trainer material at your website is very 
useful/handy. I commented on it to a few OSS people at one of our 
gatherings, but couldn't for the life of me remember the URL or where 
I saw it.

Great stuff. Keep up the good work (with all those MCQs & answers).

Regards,
Colin.
--
Colin Charles, byte@aeon.com.my
http://www.bytebot.net/


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