RE: [ossig] Microsoft going round promoting .net

[UWE HEINZ RUDI DIPPEL <Udippel@uniten.edu.my>]

Quite obvious. I think I sent you the link to the mpeg of the Master Clown
!!?
This is what all is about: when university graduates are drugged into M$,
they (M$) don't have to walk into any other place later on. Plus, they get
developers, developers, developers, developers.
Look at him again !!:
http://metalab.uniten.edu.my/~uwe/video/developers.mpeg

Uwe


-----Original Message-----
From: Choong Hong Cheng
To: ossig@mncc.com.my
Sent: 3/20/03 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [ossig] Microsoft going round promoting .net

Dear all,

As Imran said the Microsoft guys visited MIMOS to
talked about Microsoft Shared Source ... Why they
target organization / company / government ? Why not
they target generally developer  instead like giving
the concept publicly either in the website / talk etc
.... As for Open Source, they are targeting developer
that can contribute and learn from the code ... As for
the PR fight ... we can always say the targets for MS
always come with profit hopping us to buy the
softwares. As for Open Source, it's purely for
intetest of anyone that want to contribute and
learn... It doesn't have any agenda behind the
promotion ... 

Just my 2 cent thought ...

Hong Cheng

--- Ditesh Kumar <ditesh@ameba6.com> wrote:
> Interesting.
> 
> The problem though is that with shared source, you
> can't combine GPL
> with the shared source - it's specifically not
> allowed:
> 
> This as an aside:
> 
> Interesting to note that the Fellow is from MMU. I
> studied there and I
> know that several big vendors were throwing labs,
> equipment, software
> etc to the IT and Engineering faculties.I do
> remember that the IT
> faculty was running MS servers etc and they got
> cracked. However, a
> popular student server there was running FreeBSD
> (there was a small BSD
> group there). The Engineering faculty website
> (notes, online apps etc)
> is (was?) fully linux and php based, and it ran
> steadily for the 3 years
> I was there - I can't remember any downtime at all.
> 
> AFAIK, in the Engineering faculty at least, Linux
> and other Free/Open
> Source software is rather popular. Things may have
> changed though.
> 
> Ditesh
> 
> On Thu, 2003-03-20 at 18:04, Imran William Smith
> wrote:
> > MS did a presentation here (Mimos) today on .NET,
> hoping
> > to target the technology research people within
> Mimos.
> > 
> > 
> > They are keen to give out CD's with .NET shared
> source
> > on them, inviting us to duplicate them, give them
> out,
> > have a good browse through the information and
> code.  Only
> > when I quizzed them about the licensing agreement
> did they
> > admit that there was a license agreement, but
> glossed
> > over it somewhat with 'it's a few pages of legal
> > stuff, actually I didn't read it fully myself'. 
> The guy
> > presenting (Dr. Wong Chek Yoon, MicroSoft Visiting
> Fellow,
> > Multimedia University) was kind enough to email me
> > the full license agreement afterwards.
> > 
> > The key phrase is probably:
> > 
> > "You may use any information in intangible form
> that you remember after
> > accessing the Software.  However, this right does
> not grant you a
> > license to any of Microsoft's copyrights or
> patents for anything you
> > might create using such information."
> > 
> > 
> > The license is somewhat GPL-like - you can modify
> and
> > redistribute but only under the terms of the
> original license,
> > and if you try to sue anyone for patent
> infringement, the license 
> > automatically ends.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > It looks to me like
> > MS is actively pushing sharedsource code at
> developers.
> > They're trying to get mindset in academic world,
> saying
> > 'this source code will help you do technology
> research'.
> > They spin it as 'help the world of technology move
> forward',
> > rather than 'help the world of *Microsoft*
> technology
> > move forward'.
> > 
> > 
> > How best to counter?  Just keep the open source PR
> > machine rolling?
> > 
> > 
> > Imran
> -- 
> Ditesh Kumar
> Ameba6 Solutions Sdn. Bhd.
> --
> "Anyone who considers arithmetical methods of
> producing random digits
> is, of course, in a state of sin." - John Von
> Neumann
> 
> 
> 
>
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