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Re: [ossig] (Fwd) an email from a malaysian chinese from australia.



well well... i am from UPM.. maybe i can enlighten this topic a bit....

few question i need to throw out to see the current IT related education scenario in Malaysia...

1) how many percent of the IT related student are really into IT... or just merely joining the wagon to earn big bucks? (yeah... not very big already la :)

2) how many percent of the IT students are self initiated and learn more than what they are taught? (yeah... we know we are taught this way... but hey... IT field is cool... you can read up things and learn yourself... just the matter you want or not... oh yeah.... too busy... mamak...tgv...astro...football.... *endless*)

3) how many percent of the IT students buy IT related books else than their course-required texts? (yeah... we know the imported books are expensive.... we student poor and rarely have chance to earn money.... oh yeah... btw... we know color screen handphones are expensive too :P)

4) how many percent of the IT students check their email daily, or rather do they spend time with their own computer more than just mp3-ing and gaming daily? (oh yeah.... games is good and release tension ma.... right... but oh yeah.... how to install windows xp ah?)

5) how many percent of the IT students know the hardware technical aspects of their own computer? do they know their own computer's configuration? do they know how the hardware works? do they actually spend time dismantling their computer and found out duno how to fix it back? (oh yeah... is dangerous.. computer is expensive stuff... but oh yeah... computer student don't even know what's happening inside the casing?)

6) how many percent of the IT students know the software technical aspects? do they know how to format HDD? do they know how to install windows (don't even need to talk about linux and others)? (yeah.. is serious stuff... it may make your data lost permanently... oh yeah.... IT student send their computer to computer shop for service?)

well.... don't talk about the education system and the provisioning of knowledge from our own lecturers. how much IT related students here.. no matter in local UNIs, private UNIs, and even private colleges.... that can fulfill the 6 points mentioned above? how much effort being placed into learning such competitive and fast-pace knowledge?

football results can know immediately... latest game can pickup the technique to play just in few days time... latest handphones and music are at our finger-tip...

unfortunately... how ironic is it?


as a conclusion... what i am trying to point out here... is not the matter how good is the facilities and opportunities that makes us good... in computer/IT field... is up to our own initiative and determination to learn. blame all you can, but it doesn't help anything. how good the facilities and learning opportunities, with such attitude carried by IT students... dream la....


regards,
sian lerk @ kiawin



oh yeah... 1 more point eh....

7) how many percent of the IT students read their text? buy their text?

oppss... don't kill me :P


At 08:33 AM 10/28/2003 +0800, you wrote:
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From: "Tan CS" <tan_jcs@hotmail.com>
To: ossig@mncc.com.my, ...
Subject: an email from a malaysian chinese from australia.
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 07:24:27 +0000

First of all I hope this email does get through all the spam filter and
reach you guys. I read the article about a topic of " IT HELP ARE HARD TO
FIND IN MALAYSIA" that you guys posted on the mncc.com board (Wed, 4 Dec
2002 00:58:28), ages ago, not sure if you guys still remember it.

Anyway I am a computer science student in Monash University Clayton. I did
a
transfer from Monash Sunway in KL to Melbourne and there is a obvious
differently of quality for the lecturer compare to this 2 campuses. I am
not
sure if thes situation of "hard to find talent in programming field is
still
happening in the IT industry of Malaysia", but from the different of
education system (even though is all under a same universtiy just
different
campus), is not hard to explain why the talent is hard to find in
Malaysia.
I am not saying in Australia is much better (cause i still hear lecturer
and
tutor bitching about each other prefering different methods/opinion of
teaching), but back in Malaysia, it is real crap. Like what you said, some

of the lecturer doesnt even know what is going on in the course is more up

to the student to find out for themselves.(we are not talking about local
uni, this is the place where our parents pay tons of money to get a good
education for their childrens).

My experience in Australia is that lecturer(not all of them) are more
aware
of the current situation going on in the industry and make certain
adjustment to the teaching material. Is sad to say that I understand
what's
going in the I.T field in Australia more than i know what is going on back

in my own country. As i was trying to look for some internship program in
Malaysia i found none (although i do know that there IBM and SHELL has
their
own trainning program) but there is no where to be found in their website.

This bring me to my main reason for me to type this email. What is the
situation like in I.T field in Malaysia? I haven't decide if i should go
back to Malaysia or stay in Australia and get a P.R (which most of the
student prefered to do because it seems like the RIGHT thing to do). Me
myself are more interested in networking stuff and i wish to work in
company
like Maxis or CSA. Is there any internship program available in K.L area?
(there should be but i just can't seem to find it).

Thank you so much for reading my mail, if i bother you that much, just add

me into your spam filter.

p/s: for topics like Micro$oft or Linux or Business I.T student. Well i am

okie with both Linux and Windows O.S. (we actually has a subject named
Operating System that make the student compare the few operating system
for
pro n cons.), not like i support or anti anyone of them.(i do hate MAC
though)
As for Business I.T student, i agreed with "Windows are turning Business
I.T
graduate into idiots", i have friends who's doing Business I.T and they
are
learning ASP.net and Oracle SQL programming, and they think those things
are
just a waste of time and won't help them much in the real world.Then
again,
none of us know what's the real world is gonna be like.

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