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Re: RE: [ossig] What's Wrong With VB ?
i am too lazy to use vi. i am too poor to use macromedia's dreamweaver
(us$399 = RM 1600). if vb is only rm 400, why buy dreamweaver which is 4
times more expensive ?
Raja Iskandar Shah
http://riscniaga.netfirms.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Siva Kumeren" <siva@mscms.com.my>
Date: Thursday, June 3, 2004 12:42 pm
Subject: RE: [ossig] What's Wrong With VB ?
> I'm using VI to do my PHP coding :). My colleague is using Dreamweaver
> seems to work nicely with PHP.
>
> Siva Kumeren
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ossig@mncc.com.my [mailto:owner-ossig@mncc.com.my] On
> BehalfOf Raja Iskandar Shah
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 12:10 PM
> To: ossig@mncc.com.my
> Subject: [ossig] What's Wrong With VB ?
>
> I am a VB user, by accident.Was involved initially in consulting
> for a
> proejct to build an accounting system. Somewhere in the middle, I got
> involved with the hands on development. I have never tried phyton
> before, so, I can't compare between the 2.
>
> Strenghs:
> 1. Visual WYSIWYG IDE - drag and drop interface, quick prototyping
> 2. Useful basic wizards - takes only 1 min to create a form for a
> parent-child relationship with the form wizard.
> 3. Code assistance - debug / auto complete, etc
> 4. Endless amount of free code
> 5. A large developer community around the world
> 6. A lot of reference books
> 7. Works with ADO - provides a level of database independence.
> 8. Very cheap RAD - only RM 420 - compare that to Borland's RAD
> 9. BASIC programming language - simple to learn and read codes
> 10. Quasi Object Oriented - esp when combined with SQL, ADO and dll
> programming.
>
>
> Weakness:
> 1. Platform dependent - even on the windows variant
> 2. Performance issues - need to apply the common best practices
> 3. Not suitable for certain application development - such as those
> which are processor intensive - e.g. 3D games
> 4. there are unexplainable bugs - have come across instances where
> certain records get skipped.
>
>
> I can compare VB to the very popular 'Dummies' or 'Complete Idiots'
> book. Very good intro for newbies to get into the subject matter, in
> this case programming. The community is also very good and supportive,
> in fact, there are a few open source projects which have used VB - eg.
> pdfCreator.
>
> When compared to Java, creating the stupid 'hello world' example,
> takesonly 10 sec. VB is not as resource hungry as Java. VB runs
> faster than
> J2SE on a pentium 133 with windows 98.
>
> On a personal note, I am trying to move up on the programming skills
> hierarchy. Tried a little java with netbeans and eclipse, but had
> performance issues with low end hardware and endless process of xml,
> x-this and x-that. Wanted to test out delphi, but the cost was RM 4000
> for the professional edition. Now I am trying out php, I needed to
> moveto web-based applications anyway. Still searching for a good
> visualWYSIWYG IDE. If there are WYSIWYG HTML editors, why can't
> there be
> WYSIWYG php editors ?
>
> Raja Iskandar Shah
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Uwe Dippel <udippel@uniten.edu.my>
> Date: Thursday, June 3, 2004 8:49 am
> Subject: Re: [ossig] Copyright Laws
>
> > Colin Charles wrote:
> >
> > > If VB is deemed easy to learn, doesn't Python fit into the same
> > > category?
> > > (I've never learnt/used VB, but if there's someone who's used both
> > > VB/Python, please do speak up)
> >
> > No; VB not. Hell freezes over before I'd do so.
> >
> > But a comment, nevertheless: Yes, they are somewhat close. And
> > both are
> > good from an aspect overlooked too often: Solving a problem.
> This
> > is why
> > we currently use Python here in our 'Fundamentals of Computing
> > Theory'
> > (guess who was the devil's advocate).
> >
> > The weakness of VB is *not* that it is simple (Python, of
> course,
> > being
> > better here ...). This is the .....dead argument of many a BSD-
> ers
> > who
> > think, if you can't write your own C-code, set routing tables,
> > diff and
> > debug, script, know all about rc.conf, you are not supposed to
> > *touch* a
> > computer.
> > And no, this is no flame, since I'm a BSD-er myself and p.....
> off
> > too
> > often with snobbish 'man route' or whatever.
> > Back to the topic: No, simplicity is not the argument. A
> language
> > should
> > be as simple as ever possible. Again: we must not put ourselves
> > into
> > that corner of 'it must be difficult to be good'.
> >
> > The arguments against VB are others than simplicity.
> > Most important: lock-in. They'll go to VB.Net or whatever and
> > you're
> > having the carpet removed from underneath your feet (is this
> > German
> > proverb comprehensible in English ?).
> > Just as bad: not portable. You write once and run nowhere else.
> > Another one: a feature is needed but not provided: you can't add
> > it to
> > the sources.
> > And possibly a few more.
> >
> > Long story, short result: The trouble isn't with simplicity. Over.
> >
> > 2 sen,
> >
> > Uwe
> >
> > --
> > Linux. You can find a worse OS, but it costs more.
> >
> >
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