Re: [Fwd: Re: [mosig] [ossig] MOSIG: Formation of Company - InauguralMeeting 17th July 2004]

[drcheah <drcheah@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Dinesh Nair wrote:

>On Sat, 17 Jul 2004, Dr Molly Cheah wrote:
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>>The doctor' document AS IT WAS is proprietary. After it had been amended
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>i think it was clear that the document everyone was referring to was the
>MOSSIA document and not the doctor's agreement.
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No. Here's Tze Meng's post as late as 2 days ago (17th July)

> Anyway
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> I was under the impression that during the first "brainstorming 
> session" that someone would scan and OCR the document (thanks Jason) 
> then the document is distributed to interested parties to read through 
> and comment on. The WG was formed to start work on cleaning up the 
> document - not finalise it for acceptance. It seems like anyone who


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>>for MOSSIA, it will belong to MOSSIA (which will be a sendirian berhad.
>>a business entity) and it will be upto MOSSIA shareholders to decide
>>whether it will remain a document of MOSSIA or whether it will release
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>just who are the shareholders of MOSSIA ? the company has not been
>incorporated, therefore no shareholders exist. before potential
>shareholders can become shareholders, they need to read and agree to the
>terms of the MOSSIA document. you don't expect them to sign a document
>without reading it, do you ? to do this, they need to read, understand and
>digest the document, perhaps even getting their own lawyers to give advice
>on it.
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The 17th July meeting is supposed to be the 2nd (follow-up) meeting 
following the "brainstorming session". Tze Meng called it Inaugural 
Meeting, which lead to people thinking that they have to read, 
understand and sign at the same session. To me, its a session where the 
working group present their work to the rest. Those present can then 
decide whether they want to print it, throw it away, change it, whatever 
for the next..... 10 meetings if its necessary. My starting point for 
potential shareholders to mull it over is 17th July whereas you guys 
think of 17th July as the end-point! Sure take home the document when 
you attend the 17th July meeting. For the rest, let those who attend 
decide whether it should be posted to them, e-mail it to them or put it 
on the net.

For me, I only have one request; that the document be used for MOSSIA. 
Naturally I will have no control if someone use it for MOSSIA2, MOSSIA3 
etc. but like I said I gave it in good faith for MOSSIA. The rest you 
can read in between the lines.

>potential shareholders cant do this without getting access to the
>document, which is why your insistence that the document be kept private
>was very, very confusing.
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It is private until the 17th July. That's the meeting in which the 
working group presents to the rest... My insistence is that we were 
asked to do that and I think we should be given the right and freedom to 
do just that!

>plus, in the minutes of the last meeting at
>http://mossia.projects.inigo-tech.com/meetings/initial it was actioned
>that Jason was, "To scan or transcribe the existing Doctor's Collective
>Agreement to be a basis for discussion". how can discussion happen when
>the discussees have not seen the document ?
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Since you were not at the meeting, let me clarify that I only agree for 
Jason "To scan......" Even the copy that the working group got during 
our 1st discussion had been partially changed based on some of the 
points agreed on during the brainstorming session. Then as you know Tze 
Meng throw in the spanner to say that the decisions are not valid. For 
me, its not for one person to say if those decisions are valid. Also, 
validity should not be selective. You can't say item 1 is valid but item 
2 is not.

>so, since we're meeting in less than 4 hours, could you clarify concretely
>if the MOSSIA document which the WG worked on this past few weeks can be
>distributed and used as a basis for discussion, or would you rather
>retract your offer to have it used ? there're two conflicting emails on
>this from you, in one you directed jason/raja not to distribute the
>document, and in the next you mentioned that you had no objections to it
>being distributed/used as the MOSSIA document belongs to the prospective
>MOSSIA shareholders.
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This brings me to the issue of validity of decisions and what today's 
meeting decides. Again Tze Meng says decisions are not valid and 
suggested starting from scratch. Its logical than to withold the 
document until the meeting today decides what they want to do. I don't 
agree that the decisions made during the brainstorming session were not 
valid. That's why I reiterate that my offer to use it for MOSSIA is 
still valid. But knowing the views of some (esp Tze Meng) who wants to 
start from scratch, I suggest that those attending the meeting decide. 
If they want to use the document the working group worked on, go ahead. 
Rough calculation show that we had put in (5x4)+(4x4) man-hours of work 
into it, not including travel time, review and editing time and Jason's 
additional input. We are talking about a business process for a business 
entity.... So it amuses me to read that some people do not have 5-6 
hours to spend to ensure that their interests are protected or promoted.

So I am saying consistently; let those attending today's meeting decide 
what they want to do with the document or another document if they 
choose to start from scratch. Have a good meeting. I will not be 
attending though I am interested in the concept.

Molly




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