Re: [ossig] Enterprise Linux: UserLinux, Debian

[Colin Charles <byte@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 20:26, Uwe Dippel wrote:

> > You've been able to use Yum to do incremental upgrades since FC1. Yum
> > works pretty much like apt-get and if you're really stuck on apt-get,
> > you can also install and run it on Fedora without any probs.
> 
> This is a bit sick, isn't it !? Why should I install FC just to do the 
> same that I can do just as well on Debian. Does RedHat offer *any* 
> advantages (except of the red hat, Collin ?) ?
				     ^^^^^^
				thats Colin			
Funny, earlier in the thread you mention:

"With Debian, you have no trouble; at least much fewer. No need to wait 
for Core X to download, burn, 'install'-> upgrade to get the latest 
version of my most favourite app."

Heard of YUM? Heard of adding repositories to /etc/yum.conf (as opposed
to sources.list)?

Typical scenario (Debian): Pop CD in. Get text based install. Ask lots
of questions. Get Linux running. Now install a graphical DE. Have fun.

Typical scenario (Fedora): Pop CD in. Get nice graphical installer. Ask
a lot less questions. Get Linux running with a very good desktop out of
the box. Have fun.

There are many advantages, to each his own Uwe. I wasn't going to
participate in the thread, but I see I was pinged several times... You
have already made up your mind that Fedora offers you no advantages, and
I'm not going to change that (in fact, I don't care less to)

A retort, can be, what advantages does floppyfw offer me that PicoBSD
can't? 

(always a case of, to each his own. If you have false mindsets, its a
pity. Maybe give it a try sometime, and RTFM while you're at it)

> Since they broke my heart with upgrades from 7.3 to eight (more so my 
> favourite apps !) and the same again from 8 to 9 (PPPoE, DHCP, Apache - 
> if I'm not mistaken), they have lost mine.

Funny. Many people upgrade from 7.x -> 8 -> 9 -> Core 1 -> Core 2 w/o
issues. They also do 7.x jumps to Core 1 (an X developer did that
recently)

So as Ken says, you must be doing something really wrong

> Is it true that I'd be sitting on FC3 and subsequent just by using Yum ?

Yes

> No ISOs, no boot to CD and Upgrade ? Like you may from Woody (July 2002 
> !) 'till Sid of today ?

Yes

> Ooops, another advantage on Debian: main - contrib - non-free to follow 
> your religion w.r.t. FSF or your own.

There's Core, Extras, Alternatives and Legacy. Within Core, there's
"released", "updates-released", "updates-testing", and "development".
It's the same with Extras & Legacy, minus the "released". Alternatives
can do whatever they darn well pleased

> And a last argument: RedHat has over the years removed standard Unix 
> tradition from the command line and replaced those with proprietary, 
> non-standard commands (redhat-configure something).

Its now system-config-*. The traditional methods are still there,
incidentally. And yes, standard tradition might have been removed, but
its back to what upstream likes in FC. It's even got /media and /srv
now, for instance

> Also this might account for a preference of some 
> pseudo-rebranding-distros. Which is where we started.

What you all failed to mention was the amount of distros that spun-off
from Red Hat? Ye olde Mandrake is a RH spin-off, too, incidentally

http://www.distrowatch.com/stats.php?section=independence

Now drop all the language-based-localisation distros from Debian, the
numerous copycat Knoppix distros (45), and 97-45 = 52. Then add
Fedora/Red Hat with RHEL, and maybe the original poster might've come up
with an incorrect assumption
-- 
Colin Charles, byte@aeon.com.my
http://www.bytebot.net/
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, 
then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi


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