Re: [ossig] Do we need a local Linux Magazine?

[Colin Charles <byte@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 15:24 +0800, Nur Hussein wrote:
> > Because you did include Objective C (though the market/scope in M'sia
> > might be low - how many Mac users do you know?)
> 
> Objective C isn't just for Mac users you know. GCC comes with a nice
> Objective C compiler, plus GNUStep uses Objective C:
> http://www.gnustep.org/

Guess who wrote the components there? ;-)

Well, the history is definitely interesting:
	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objective-C


> I'm surprised why Objective C hasn't caught on more... it's certainly
> nicer than some of the more hyped languages out there.

What, you don't like programming in C++? Eew
(I say this after being tormented by codebase such as OOo...)

> Well, I guess you can have VB open source projects I suppose, but the
> problem with VB is that there is no way for most of the community to
> participate in development nor even compile and run the source without
> an expensive proprietary tool which is *only available* on a similarly
> expensive and proprietary (and buggy and bloated and criminally
> hideous) operating system. This negates some of the benefits of open
> source.

Well stiff shit, there was freeware with source code out there a long
time before the OSS factor came alive. Now some choose to choose an OSS
license, and then get called OSS software

The 1800+ VB projects at sourceforge are surely open source projects

Here's a challenge: write a VB compiler, thats OSS based then. I mean,
when the .NET thing came around, the challenge was taken on by Miguel de
Icaza & team, and now we have Mono which pretty much just works

> It's also that the mention of VB got me a little shaky, for it was
> then I recalled the words of E.W. Dijkstra in my mind, and thus he
> spake:
> 
> "It is practically impossible to teach good programming to students
> that have had a prior exposure to BASIC: as potential programmers they
> are mentally mutilated beyond hope of regeneration."

I'll respectfully disagree with Djikstra here then

(speaking as someone that knew BASIC, and wrote a fair bit of it in the
day, before finding Pascal, and C goodness - remember, basica ran on a 5
1/4" floppy disc)
-- 
Colin Charles, byte@aeon.com.my
http://www.bytebot.net/
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, 
then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi


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