Re: [ossig] Universities get RM11m boost from Microsoft

[jason chong <jcvw75@xxxxxxxxx>]

This problem should not be blamed entirely on MS alone though. The
students themselves should take a huge part of the blame. Most of them
just want to get their degree and hope to find a decent paying IT job.
Most of them are not capable of self-learning anything after
graduation and expects to be spoon-fed. They think their education
ends after graduation.

I agree that commercial products should not be part of the curricullum
of computer science. CS should be independent of commercial product
influence and stick solely to problem solving. This gives the
student's the ability to adapt and develop problem solving skills,
independence, etc. Commercial products should not be cut off
completely either, but it is not the lecturer's responsibility to
teach them to students. Students need to find the initiatives to equip
themselves with the appropriate development products in the job
market. If you can't even train or self-teach yourself, you're not
really qualified to be in the CS or IT field anyway.

PS: Obiwan is that you ?


On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 23:29:11 +0800, Nur Hussein <nhussein@gmail.com> wrote:
> > there have been a number of complaints / articles saying that the
> > universities do not produce graduates with the skill that the industry
> > requires. also r&d work tend to be 'islands' of study.
> 
> Ha! I have more than a few words to mince with these arrogant business
> asshats who think they can look down on academia and tell us what to
> do because they think they're so big and important. Since when did
> universities become free training grounds for corporate products? A
> university exists as a place of knowledge, the usefulnes of some of
> which might not be immediately obvious to some pointy haired bozo who
> has the IQ of a doorknob.
> 
> Was it not Thomson at Cambridge University that discovered the
> electron? Where would their precious electronics be without that
> discovery?
> 
> Was it not Turing at Cambridge University who proposed the
> computability of numbers via turing machines?  Where would their
> precious computers be without that contribution?
> 
> Was it not Von Neumann at Princeton University who designed the most
> fundamental architecture of the electronic computer? Where would their
> precious PC manufacturing businesses be without that contribution?
> 
> I can name so many others... Knuth, Dijkstra, Wirth... where would
> their precious e-commerce software be without them?
> 
> I can name so many others. Those computer scientists didn't become who
> they were by reading "Learn ASP.NET in 15 Minutes" and "The Total
> Moron's Guide To Getting An MCSE" which some bosses apparently hold in
> high regard.
> 
> Sure, there have been many contributions by the computing industry as
> well to humanity, but even then they were done by real scientists with
> research training and a respect for knowledge, not some
> "instantly-trained" imbeciles who knows which button to press in
> Microsoft Word (those kind of people go into middle-management).
> 
> "What the industry requires". Pfft. What the industry requires is a
> good swift kick in the ass if it thinks "university research is not
> relevant to the real world". But as Calvin (of Calvin and Hobbes)
> says, people will pay for what they WANT, not what they NEED.
> 
> Yes, this has been a sore topic with me.
> 
> -= Nur Hussein =-
> 
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