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Re: [ossig] Open source community needs a haircut and to dress forsuccess?Should I loose my Kurtas (long asian shirts), Jeans and Sandals



This is a statement from PCDOM which I am posting here as the 
discussions as the application referred to is PCDOM's PrimaCare and not 
mine.

> Dr Molly Cheah brought our attention to a discussion on the ossig 
> mailing list that made references to PCDOM PrimaCare, an electronic 
> medical record (EMR) and a clinic management system. The said 
> discussions lead to the questioning of whether PCDOM had breached the 
> conditions pertaining to PrimaCare being given the MNCC award in 2004. 
> PrimaCare was developed by PCDOM from scratch to be used as a tool for 
> managing patients and doctors' clinics with the sole purpose to 
> benefit its doctors. The choice to use open source resources were made 
> during planning. The main reason for developing PrimaCare is for 
> doctors to improve the quality of patient care and their clinic 
> efficiency. During our earlier days of testing the software, we found 
> that unqualified freedom to make changes to the source codes were 
> based on incorrect preceptions and lack of domain expertise which 
> unwittingly led to compromises in patient safety and quality of care. 
> PCDOM has a contract with the Malaysian Government, with conditions, 
> for its funding on the development of PrimaCare. PCDOM being a 
> professional organisation for doctors is concerned that insinuations 
> of PCDOM committing impropriety and therefore being unethical in our 
> representation were made at this discussion forum.
>
>
> When we were requested to submit PCDOM PrimaCare for the award, we had 
> made it known to MNCC our terms of use of PrimaCare and we were 
> informed that we were eligible on those basis. Since then, we had not 
> been informed by MNCC that we had breached any rules, except by some 
> individuals from the local open source community. PCDOM questions the 
> right of individuals or this community to dictate and demand how PCDOM 
> should make available its application and to whom. This goes against 
> the very ingredient of freedom. PrimaCare is solely targeted to 
> doctors, general practitioners to be precise and we are not 
> discriminating amongst the GPs. We are also appalled by this statement 
> that “having an online demo of open source software, constitutes as 
> use, and hence I equate to being a "doctor" in the context”. The 
> practice of medicine is a strictly regulated profession via an Act of 
> Parliament and no one without a registration with the Malaysian 
> Medical Council can claim to be a doctor even if he wears a white coat 
> and uses a stethoscope, a medical device or medical software.
>
>
> In the meantime, PCDOM takes very seriously the following statements 
> made here and will study them further. Freedom of speech should be 
> responsible and accountable.
>
>
> “All I'm saying is, you call your application an "open source" one, 
> you've won an open source excellence award for it, yet you haven't 
> licensed it under any open source license or there's no source code 
> available (ever)
>
> Your application is really a proprietary application, riding on the 
> open source bandwagon's "name"
>
> If you want to be part of the community, contribute. If you want the 
> community to "connect" with you, contribute.”
>
>
> PCDOM has been innovative in coming out with PrimaCare for the local 
> doctors, with Molly responsible for its development but she does not 
> have the final say in its distribution. Any further comments, 
> statements, questions or collaboration proposals should therefore be 
> directed to:
>
>
> Honorary Secretary,
>
> Primary Care Doctors' Organisation Malaysia (PCDOM)
>
> No: 2 Jalan SS 3/31
>
> University Garden
>
> 47300 Petaling Jaya
>
> or e-mail: primacare@pcdom.org.my <mailto:pcdom@pcdom.org.my>
>

Colin Charles wrote:

> Molly Cheah wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
>> Looks like I have to learn all over again. Tell me which guru should 
>> I depend on this time? Totally confusing, this open source thingy 
>> isn't it? Free as in freedom and not as in beer, but I have to freely 
>> allow everyone to download because thay can equate to be doctors. 
>> Non-discriminatory and I lose my freedom to whom I chose to give my 
>> application to.
>
>
> Re: Gurus, maybe a good lawyer or some research on your part. Whom did 
> you depend on the last time? We can surely help provide them with the 
> appropriate knowledge
>
>> ....having an online demo of open source software, constitutes as 
>> use, and hence I equate to being a "doctor" in the context..... 
>> Wow...Now you are really frightening the doctors into using open 
>> source products. Now I'm beginning to understand why even the Govt is 
>> having second thoughts because whatever they develop they have to 
>> make them available to you so that you can fork it etc etc.....
>
>
> You're spreading FUD.
>
> Heard of the BSD license? Its an open source license, and you can make 
> applications that don't require giving the code to if someone asks for 
> it (afaik)
>
> All I'm saying is, you call your application an "open source" one, 
> you've won an open source excellence award for it, yet you haven't 
> licensed it under any open source license or there's no source code 
> available (ever)
>
> Your application is really a proprietary application, riding on the 
> open source bandwagon's "name"
>
> If you want to be part of the community, contribute. If you want the 
> community to "connect" with you, contribute.
>
>> Sorry ran out of my time allocation for attending to such discussions 
>> as this discussion can became really viral... Have an enjoyable weekend.
>
>
> Sure, looking forward to hearing from you post-weekend. Watch the F1, 
> it should be good entertainment, barring the rain
>
> Best wishes!
>
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